Join musicians Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal for a radically honest dive into musicians’ lives and experiences with their podcast and online platform Things Musicians Don’t Talk About.

Glitzy concerts, long ballgowns, expensive drinks receptions and perfect performances. The classical music world has long been a place of tradition and expertise, but these musicians are challenging the norm. Join Things Musicians Don’t Talk About as they explore identity, race and relationships within the music profession with renowned cellist and vocalist Ayanna Witter-Johnson.

Launched as a space for honesty out of founder Hattie Butterworth’s experience with obsessive compulsive disorder, TMDTA’s conversations aren’t afraid to go deep quickly, though never without some humor and silliness along the way, getting real about the issues within the industry and personal lives of its performers.